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. it was a nice meeting, cordial. >> who in america is betting on john boehner. >> right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> i think people are scratching their head at why we just had to watch that. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> boehner does not have unity behind him. >> there is probably a slightly better than 50/50 chance that there will be a deal. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who can stop what is going to happen. >> how about manning up here, mr. president? >> they just have nowhere to go in this debate. >> big labor is furious. >> i actually don't view this as anti-union. ♪ >> not only did our commander in chief sit through this anti-american performance, he was caught on camera shaking his hand. >> why would he even be in the same room with this guy? that to me is scary. ♪ it's the most wonderful time of the year ♪ >>> it is crunch time here in washington. exactly three weeks left to cut a deal before automatic tax increases and spending cuts will send the economy over th
york. john boehner's back is against the wall and president obama is holding all the cards. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> the clock is ticking. christmas is coming. the goose is getting fat. why are you not bringing this to the floor? >> an urgent message from nancy pelosi. but it's casual friday for speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report bauds there's no progress to report. >> today's news, speaker boehner and president obama will be the only two at the table to make a deal. i'll ask emanuel cleaver if boehner can get it done. >>> 33 months of private sector job growth. now is the time to start spending on jobs. david cay johnston is here. >>> the filibuster is more than an embarrassing blunder. bernie sanders explains why. >>> the right to work in michigan has ignited a fire storm with workers. we'll have the latest on rick snider's race to the bottom. >>> and breaking news from the supreme court. there will be a decision on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage. law professor jonathan terly has all the details. >> thanks for watching. john
, joe, he said i think we're going to make this. i think the boehner offer had significant indicators that something here is going on, and they're going to come together. >> also, kent conrad, a guy -- i've loved him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to really bash boehner from the right. the president needs to take note. he needs to take note. >> give him some running room. >> i'm only saying this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place down. we're not doing a deal. and then newt would call bill clinton up and say, you're pushing me too far. you've got to work with me here. the same thing's happening right now with boehner. >> with boehner. >> the republican -- a
as speaker boehner doesn't require there be a majority of his majority to pass that bill, i think we can get that done. i have a sense that's kind of a way we're moving. as to spending, and some of the other matters, i think that's going to be something where the can's kicked down the road in to next year. >> that seems to be the common theme today. i've watched your colleagues on our air and read comments in different newspapers. it seems that that's where we are right now. get this issue of the tax cuts complete so that the american people will have at least some comfort and then as you pointed out, kick the can down the road. i have heard people say this is groundhog day. this is the same thing over and over again. it seems that -- this seems to be a repeat performance. >> well, i think due to a certain extent that's true and happening -- will be happening at the beginning of a session. and we're going to about 85 or 86 new members here, a few more democrats and hopefully a refreshed membership that will actually look to do this. now, you talked about the schedule and actually next year's
of the boehner-led republican team. what about basketball you say? we go to charlotte last night, and the knicks treasury secretary, carmelo anthony, top paid and big star got hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. then the at the end it came down to this. >> looking for felton and finds smith. two seconds, one second. smith for the win. >> game over. no overtime. deal, end game, done. is this meaningless nba game in charlotte lead us to how the fiscal fiesta ends? we have a man who we think knows the answer, the king of the last word here on msnbc and all seeing of things in washington, the great one and only lawrence o'donnell. lawrence, thank you for joining us. this is very early in the day for you. >> this is earlier than i normally wake up in the day. see, i do very late night tv show. >> i'm familiar with it. >> you've been there once in a while. don't expect much from me at this hour. >> all right. way to set the barlow. very smart strategy there. >> no. i have a strategy for doing this show. without a second of homework, okay? >> you told me that. >> i have no idea what's happenin
boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefini
cliff blame game on friday. the rhetoric heats up as the clock winds down. today house speaker boehner and nancy pelosi held duelling news conferences slamming the other side for not taking the looming crisis seriously. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> we've had time. the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> meanwhile, vice president biden is having lunch with several middle class americans who would see their income taxes go up if the tax cuts are not extended. all of this comes as the first jobs report since the election exceeded expectations. the u.s. economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. goo
. and the republicans, boehner's got to go to work and come back, and now there's 70 of them left, the tea party guys. these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we sa
in there tangoing, you've got a chance to get it done. >> president obama and speaker boehner negotiate face to face at the white house. >> republicans are softening their resistance to a tax increase for the rich, but they want something in return. >> there is a growing group of folks realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it related to the tax issue. >> an american doctor who had been kidnapped by the taliban in afghanistan was rescued. >> dr. dilip joseph is free, but one u.s. navy seal lost his life in this mission. >> this fallen hero was a member of navy s.e.a.l. team 6. >> condolences pouring in after the tragic death of mexican-american singer jenni rivera, killed in a plane crash. >> for the first time since their prank call that led to the apparent suicide of kate middleton's nurse, those radio hosts are speaking out. >> we didn't have any idea like something like this could possibly happen. we couldn't see this p haing. it was meant to be a prank call. >> the midwest covered in snow this morning. some saw up to 17 inches of snow. >> you head out with your well dressed pet monkey.
. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> what great news, i think. don't you think so
john boehner, when the speaker, with all due respected, is talking about what is acceptable, he doesn't have a choice. the only issue, if the president was unwilling to sign something that does not have the rates go up, they're going up at the end of the year. >> can i just say, the president has a political advantage right now, obviously. but he has to figure out a way to turn that into a substantive accomplishment. this kind of advantage that you see could shift the longer this continues and the closer we get to a cliff. so, at a certain point, he's going to have to pivot. >> i think, you know, right now, the less republicans blink, the administration this week, they are absolutely ready to go over the cliff on the tax side. in some ways, that might make a deal easier. no republican would ever have to vote to raise taxes. you can reduce taxes for the vast majority of americans. and you can couple that with some spending restraints. it may be easier. a lot of people scratching their heads about it if you go over the cliff on the tax side. >> i still think that that is not the optimum
established on both sides. the president and john boehner have reportedly not even taken time to speak to each other when face-to-face yesterday at a white house christmas event but it seems both sides can agree that the sky is blue on the one issue when keeping tax cuts where they are for the middle class. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move to, continue to move into the holiday season. all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and
boehner did not go well. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with today's long-range rocket launch that's managed to put a satellite in earth's orbit. here's why it is important to all of us. even though north korea is one of the poorest countries and many people are starving there, the korean peninsula is the most tense, most dangerous places on earth. there are roughly one million north korean troops on it is side of the militarize zone separating from south korea. as well as nearly 30,000 u.s. forces. not only are they within strikes distance of the launch site, a long-range rocket shows north korea is on its way to developing technology to launch a rocket at the united states's west coast and hawaii. officials tell cnn that the working assumption is that the north koreans got outside help from others, including iran. so today's launch is raising some huge concerns. let's go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. i assume they are pretty surprised and alarmed by the successful launch over at the pentagon? >> look, wolf, because of everything you just me
with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especiall
. . >>> casper, deep blue, bird, jordan, mcenroe, coners, boehner, obama. it is friday, december 7th, this is "now." >> joining me today, chief economic correspondent for politico ben white, editor at large for salon.com, joe walsh, queen bee and editing manager of the grio.com, and buzz fooeds.com ben smith. the labor department delivered a december surprise, which might just alter the debate over the fiscal cliff. despite predictions of stalled job creation in november in superstorm sandy and looming fiscal cliff, the nation added 146,000 jobs last month, and unemployment ticked down to 7.7%. while november's figures are higher than expected, september and october were revised down 16 and 33,000 jobs respectively. chief economists for moody's analytics mark zandi cautions november may see a downward revision but the numbers are a good sign. >> bottom line, feels like the job market is holding firm in the face of sandy and fiscal cliff concerns, so that's good news. >> surprising exactly no one, the white house and republicans had different spin on the numbers. >> if congress does a
president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. washington post reported however that they are still working on a deal and nothing is locked down yet. we will talk more about the fiscal cliff this morning on "the washington journal." what tax deductions would you give up as part of a solution to the deficit problems? here are the numbers to call. for republicans, 202-585-3881. for democrats, 202-585-3880. for independents, 202-585-3882. you can also find us online. send us a tweet, twitter.com/c- spanwj. find a son facebook and weigh in there. at journal@c- span.org. "the christian science monitor," asked what we would be willing to give up. "americans would be willing to give up the tax deduction for charitable giving over other popular tax breaks." host: let's take a look at the results of this poll. 25% said that they would be willing to give up the charitable giving tax deduction. almost the same amount said it would be willing to give up their deduction for state taxes. 19% said they would be willing to give up host: we would like to hear what deduction you would give up. you ca
john boehner trying to negotiate a deal to keep the u.s. from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. house republicans meeting right now and we expect to hear from the house speaker at the top of the hour. dana bash, capitol hill, following the negotiations. how many times have i said fiscal cliff over the past couple months, i can't even, if i had a nickel for every time i'd be a wealthy man. >> we'd be able to avert the fiscal cliff. >> exactly, very good, so much more clever and quicker than i am. dana good morning. the president and the house speaker offered new proposals. what do you know about them, if anything? >> reporter: you know, they're being very, very careful, they're holding their cards close to the vest, which i think you know as a reporter is frustrating but as somebody who certainly wants to get, to see this solved, that that is a completely nonpart son thing to say. it maybe is a good sign, because both sides are being very careful not to let the cat out of the bag on some of the specifics because they don't want the process to blow up even before it really starts
would raise taxes for the wealthiest americans. he met yesterday with house speaker john boehner, their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today the president will visit a detroit engine factory to rally support from auto workers. the president's meeting with speaker boehner didn't yield a big breakthrough, but the men did manage to agree on one thing, and that is that they will keep their negotiations behind closed doors. the men released this identical statement, saying this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we're not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. cnn's dan lothian is at the white house this morning. dan, i guess the fact that the lines of communication are open is a good sign. >> reporter: that's right. it is a good sign. it was just about a week ago that we were reporting about how nothing was going on, not in public and not in private. aides up on the hill, republican aides telling us there were no phone calls, no e-mails,
and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking committee, said his party should consider the president's position on raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. i actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> that's significant, and jon, t
tonight between john boehner and the president. with just 23 days to go, are they any closer? david kerley at the white house tonight. >> reporter: for the first time in more than three weeks a face to face meeting at the white house. today no cameras as the president sat down with john daner. boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated some demands. the president say s tax rates fr the wealthy have to rise but now word that the actual rate could be negotiable. maybe not all the way back to 39.6%. >> will i accept a tax increase as a deal to solve problems? yes. >> reporter: those problem, according to republican, entitlement. and today, a leading democrat embraced t
. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one
. >> democrats are pushing back. more than 100 house members signed a letter they sent to john boehner saying take social security off the table. wolf? >> thanks very much. let's get to the strategy session. joining us, cnn contributor, republican strategist, alex cost tee and owes. also joining us, a clean shaven young man, obama campaign senior adviser david axelrod. >> newly shaven. >> we need to see some id. >> looks very handsome, don't you think? >> younger. >> younger, thinner. get to that in a moment. social security, should that be on the table now or not? >> i think republicans are saying look, let's put everything on the table. some support means testing, if you're above a certain income that maybe you don't need to take social security when we all think the program is going to be in serious trouble down the road. very few people supporting a growing base of people that are on social security. so to keep it strong, maybe it is something we should look at. >> right now? >> right now i think we have more urgent things to do. that's certainly something -- it is something to commit to
john boehner, has there been any follow-up that we know of? are they talking on the phone? are they gearing up for an actual meeting? john boehner staying in town while this crisis continues. >> repr: that's right, lf. he is. and we are told that no additional calls, no further discussions that we are aware of. hat came after a lot of criticism on the white house that the president was not negotiating face-to-face with john boehner. but what we're seeing here is this sategy that the president hashere instead of sitng down with republicans, he takes his message outside of sort of inside the beltway or brings people to the white house. you've seen him sitting down with middle class americans also bringing ceos and small business owners here to the white house. that's what he is using to put pressure on congress to get a deal. >> yeah. let's see if he invites the speaker to come over to the white house and put some pressure on him. >> reporter: that's right. >> see if they can -- what they can do. as we all know, that clock is ticking. dan lothian, thanks. let's dig deeper wi
speaker boehner and their aides hold private talks americans wait to see if their tax rate will go up january 1st. for some without a job they risk losing unemployment. kyung lah talks with a woman who has been out of work a year while trying to raise two children. >> reporter: liz calls it a financial freefall. >> i wish i wasn't in this situation but it is what it is, and i could just do what i can. >> reporter: de bats lost her job as a new home sales manager last january. on an old laptop with a broken cord she keeps track, averaging 15 applications a day, at age 54, this is the first time she's ever been on unemployment. she's emptied out her 401(k), her savings and now the last resort, the emergency federal jobless program has department de bats in her town home giving her $450 a week. on december 29th unless the congress acts, the money stops. >> we're not living off the system. it's not a luxury to be on unemployment. it's a means to keep us going. >> reporter: the fear of the fiscal cliff isn't just here in this suburban neighborhood. in the states with the highest unemployme
's house speaker john boehner describing his latest negotiations with the president, just over the phone last night. >> the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> dana bash is our senior congressional correspondent. she s unearthed some surprising new details here about the speaker's latest offer to the president. dana, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we were told first earlier today by democratic source that part of the reason why that phone call between the president and the speaker didn't go so well to put it mildly is because part of the republican counteroffer they sent to the white house yesterday included a renewed call for, quote, permanent tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. now, we know that that is a nonstarter in general for the president. he said it ump team times, but the democrats at the white house felt that to put the word permanent in a republican offer made clear according to the source i talked to that it was -- that they just don't understand what needs to be done to get something to pass the senate and the hou
speaker john boehner on wednesday while his treasury secretary said the white house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, gd morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie and norah. the president will cross over the potomac into northern virginia to meet with a family who says their taxes don't go up, they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the pr side of this. much more important, the context of the deal, keet players yesterday picked up the phone. phone call relatively brief and substantive. details remain elusive. it was shorter, sources say, to last week's 28-minute conversation described them as curt, direct and frank. no one familiar with this call used such barbed words. it also occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember, it's onl
in in a moment here. just yesterday, the president met with the speaker of the house, john boehner, to talk specifically about avoiding the fiscal cliff. we are mere weeks from that, you know, basically kicking in, first of the year. that's when everyone's taxes would be going up. that happened just yesterday. and also you have all these pro union protests happening not too far away in lansing, michigan. we have a correspondent there as well. we'll talk to here. jessica yellin to you in washington. and, first things first, you think here michigan, you think the birth place of unions and you think about all these people who are very frustrated with this, everything i read, it seems to be pretty much a done deal, this right to work legislation, that the governor has indicated he would sign. these are the folks who helped elect the president not too long ago. should the president step in and go to bat for them? >> well, you know, the unions have been enormously supportive of the president as you point out. not only during this campaign, not only as foot stole jer sold helping get out the vote,
up fiscal cliff, we're now seeing house speaker boehner discussing the issue from the house floor. the first time he's commented publicly after meeting with president obama sunday. let's listen. >>> right flonow the american people have to be wondering when is the president going to get serious. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentlemen from pennsylvania mr. altmire, for five minutes. >> i rise to recognize victor decarlo for receiving the -- >> we have been listening to the house speaker talking about negotiations taking place with the president obviously, a lot of people watching closely, trying to avoid the fiscal cliff which would mean tax hikes for almost all americans but also severe cuts as well. they are debating that publicly as well as privately. i want to talk more about the rebel group that we had mention before in syria, that is now designated a new terrorist organization, cnn's hala gorani joining us atlanta. hala, first of all, you've got the syrian rebels, they're there fighting al assad's government. now the u.s. government, state department, steps in an
john ba boehner has asked democratic leaders to step aside so he and the president can negotiate a deal one on one, and no one is objecting. >>> the crisis in egypt remains volatile, with massive anti-government rallies planned today. >>> heartbreaking survival story for a woman stranded in the snow in the california sierra nevada mountains. >>> shoppers at a seattle macy's had to be hospitalized when an escalator they were riding malfunctioned. >> fire to the end zone. touchdown. >> broncos with their eighth straight win. >> all that -- >> three, two, one! >> my 50th birthday, she gives everybody a car and then she's all, thank you for coming to gayle's birthday! >> we're talking about oprah, right? >> no, of course not. >>> and all that matters. >> south carolina tea party says jim demint is resigning. >> leaving the senate a lot better than i found it. >> jim demint leaves some big shoes to fill. >> jim demint leaves some big shoes to fill. then again -- captioning funded by cbs en again -- >>> welcome to "cbs this morning." i'm charlie rose in new york. norah o'donnell is in washing
deadline. president obama spoke on the phone with house speaker john boehner on wednesday while his treasury secretary said the white house is, in fact, ready to go straight over the fiscal cliff. major garrett is at the white house. major, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah and charlie. later on this afternoon the president will travel across the potomac river to northern virginia to meet a middle-class family to make the self-evident point if the there is a deal and taxes are raised by about $2,000 they'll be happier and spend more money. that's the p.r. side of this. much more importantly, for the deal, the two key players yesterday picked up the phone. the phone call relatively brief and substantive, though details remain illusive. shorter, sources say. the last week 28-minute conversation described then as curt, direct and frank. no one with this call used such barbed words and occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> if the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. no prospect o
and counting until the nation falls off the fiscal cliff. president obama and house speaker boehner are going on with negotiations. >> we had another week of massive trash-talking, are we closer or further away from getting a deal? >> they're not really talking right now. that's what's most incredible. there were speeches all week long. lot of ads on television. less than an hour of negotiations. one-hour phone call between to president obama and house speaker boehner. democrats say they're not going to move until the republicans say they're going to be for higher tax rates on the wealthy. and spending cuts. republicans aren't going to come forward until the democrats say more about how they want to cut spending. right now, we're stuck. now, it could be the well that is getting poisoned right now, as positions are going to harden with all of these negotiations they sometimes with most fire before they break. the debt limit, president obama said that he's not going to negotiate at all over the debt limit. i don't know how you can get that resolved by december 31st. >> could the republicans giv
he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. >> so that was speaker boehner obviously flanked by republicans. we'll get you that sound bite from the president because i want to make sure you hear both sides. here is the question i'm hearing people ask. if we go off the cliff here, how big of a hit will we take on taxs? stand by because i'm good to give you the closest answer i possibly can. to help me with that is laurie montgomery, the fiscal policy reporter for the washington post. so, laurie, welcome to you here. and your paper this morning, you ran through a couple of tax scenarios which were pretty palletable so we want to show our view whaeers what you ran through. let me run through two. we'll look at this first one. so everybody take a look at this graphic. this is scenario number one, married couple, two kids, one in college, combined income of $137,000. you see the numbers here first under the democrats' plan, passed by the senate, not by the house, they would see their taxes rise 2500 bucks a year. just below that, the republican plan, passed by the house in august,
criticizing him a week ago for running campaign events instead of sitting down and talking to john boehner. he's talking to john boehner now and we're all better off because of it. >> he's still going out and talking to the people with his message. my point is congress will deal with this fiscal mess one way or another. if they get it done, it will be a great accomplishment for everybody. we may get immigration reform since republicans seem to now want immigration reform. i'm not sure what else you can get from congress in this atmosphere. what i worry about obama in the second term is not arrogance and complacency, all that may be true. i wonder what you may get done with congress still in a state of gridlock. >> this is the biggest fear of republicans we cut a deal in the short term on fiscal cliff without any real spending reform or tax reform and won't have enough time or political will to get the real reforms that need to take place and republicans raise taxes and get no spending cuts. >> that's the biggest fear of democrats we don't deal with thi this. >> eugene, we were showing the tape
source simply noted that boehner met with the president for 40 minutes on sunday and they didn't spend that time talking golf and football. today, much of the focus has been on public discord. democrats are hardly united. >> we get nervous in our caucus, don't we, about these secret meetings. >> reporter: the president has his work cut out for him, getting some in his own party to agree to a deal that includes significant cuts in changes to safety net programs. >> to all of why you negotiators negotiating on this so-called fiscal cliff and stuff, keep your hands off medicare and keep your hands off medicaid. >> we're not budging on medicare and we're not budging on medicaid. >> on taxes, a democratic source tells cnn they also won't budge on raising tax rates for families making $250,000 or more but could ultimately accept something short of the 39.6% tax rate democrats campaigned on. still, the senate's top democrat wasps mystic about a deal in the next 14 days. >> i think it's going to be extremely difficult to get it done before christmas. >> reporter: now, wolf, part of that pessim
from going forward. and the reality is last year speaker boehner set an important resident. it's called the boehner rule. one dollar in spending increase for one dollar for debt limit increase. you balance the budge net 10 years without raising taxes. the republicans aren't giving this up any time and neither are democrats. megyn: do you see irony that the president wants to eliminate congress from raising the debt limit. when he was a senator he said in part we are debating raising a debt limit and he said this is a sign of leadership failure. increasing america's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. washington is shifting the burden on the backs of our children and grandchildren. america has a debt problem and a failure of leadership and america deserves better. >> it's true when bill clinton left office in 2000 we had you are plus and the deficit would have been eliminated as we sit here today what changed that was the republican president and congress. what put us on the path we are on now is not democrats. we would have no collective debt at all if we had left in place
to anything. that makes no difference. >> he was 1-6. he was 1-4 if boehner goes from 8-1. >> he wants the corporate cut as a part or overhaul of business taxes as part of the deal. >> yeah. >> which means they're listening to business leaders. >> the parts of a deal -- and so i'm still sticking with december 23rd. >> no, you're back at 20. you went to 30 at one point. >> 10:00 p.m. i think we agree that they are going to look so silly -- >> i was on the show. i remember these things. >> they are going to look so silly if they have the gist of an agreement and have to bring everyone back, members, aides, police, the snack bar workers to vote. we picked up on something else. another reason an incentive -- >> i think snack bar workers better get ready. they're going to come back. >> it also may mean the president doesn't go to hawaii. the president may not go to hawaii -- >> come on. >> oh, stop it right now. >> there's no way. he's got to go to hawaii. it's his home! he was born there whether trump believes it or not. >> majority leader reid says he doesn't believe there will be a deal
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